Thursday night I went to see tom sine speak. I've been a big Tom Sine fan for a while have 3 of his and Christine’s (his wife) books, and have often quoted passages in talks I’ve given. It was a little disappointing that the night was more of an intro tom Sine than a now you’ve read the book kind of talk. Probably the hardest thing was looking at the four types of "new conspirators" and realising I wasn’t even close to being one of them. The four types (with examples from Tom) are.
- Emerging. Tom described this mostly in terms of groovy inner city types coming out of the alternative worship (I’m pretty sure the U.S emergents would consider themselves much more diverse than this) eg: Johnny Baker, Prodigal Project, emergent village.
- Missional. eg: Lesley Newbigin, book "the missional church", Forge, Allan Hirsch. Often the groups have a worship time and small groups and no other programs for people in the church.
- Mosaic. Multicultural church planters eg: the church "sanctuary covenant" and the book "the hip hop church"
- Monastic. UNO, the book "companions with then poor", Viv Greigs, Word made Flesh, The Simple Way, Shane Claiborne and Camden house. Where people live on the same economic level as the poor.
The way I see these four is...
- Emerging. I'm not sure if Perth has one and I'm not sure if I quite got Tom's definition (i'll have to read the book).
- Missional. There are a couple of conscious missional things I know of in Perth in Brighton and Banksia Grove.
- Mosaic. I don't think this exists in Perth .
- Monastic. Perth's Peace Tree community is probably the only community Perth has like this.
The problem I have with these four types of community are...
- I can't afford to be a part of these communities, especially 1 & 2. Even the 4th one can be hard as the rent in some "poor" suburbs in Perth is more than the mortgage I am paying at the moment, and I'm not keen to get a job which is just a money job.
- It can be harder than it needs to be for others if they become Xn, when it involves being part of one of these communities.
- I already have too many people in my life and these communities would be adding more.
- People are slippery and move on. So what happens when people move out of the communities?
I can't help but think that all of the four models work on the basis of a geographical community of some sort and by default a desire to be part of a pre-industrial, pre-urban sprawl life. I’m not in a community in the above four senses. I’d love to be but I feel like I would be spreading myself too thin and would have to give other things up.
Below is a quick picture I drew representing many of the significant people and communities in my life.
Below is a quick picture I drew representing many of the significant people and communities in my life.

As you can see it's a friggin' mess. I link with people from school four different work places including my current one, church, uni, school, various networking groups. On top of this there are clients I meet through work and people who I am trying to connect with in my local suburb (which at the moment is proving difficult) and people through the web. My relationships with people non Xn and Xns alike tend to out last the community in which they start whether that be geographical or work or another interest. This is just a reality of the society I find myself in.
In my very first post I said that a churchless faith meant that I would still be part of a community. But, by the above four definitions I fail. My life is more like a node or a website than a community. Tom said you can't be an effective Xn without community, this is something I stewed over for a long time. I wonder if it might be that we not called to be in community but to be love. Don't get me wrong community is great and I'd jump at the chance to be a part of any one of the above models but not at the sacrifice of the relationships and people I am serving at the moment.
I wonder if one of the reasons why the mega church works is because it works (probably not consciously) in an suburban sprawl environment.
Anyway, these communities are great but I'm looking for something that will transcend my current environment and I will be able to live a meaningful impactful counter cultural life without having to also be part of a pre-industrial village.
In my very first post I said that a churchless faith meant that I would still be part of a community. But, by the above four definitions I fail. My life is more like a node or a website than a community. Tom said you can't be an effective Xn without community, this is something I stewed over for a long time. I wonder if it might be that we not called to be in community but to be love. Don't get me wrong community is great and I'd jump at the chance to be a part of any one of the above models but not at the sacrifice of the relationships and people I am serving at the moment.
I wonder if one of the reasons why the mega church works is because it works (probably not consciously) in an suburban sprawl environment.
Anyway, these communities are great but I'm looking for something that will transcend my current environment and I will be able to live a meaningful impactful counter cultural life without having to also be part of a pre-industrial village.

10 comments:
Hi Chris,
I think I'm at the same place, where I can't honestly buy the argument that effective Xnty requires community. As you and I have both found, the church environment can actually stymie rather than support your faith! And the formation of a new community can be extremely tough, which I've experienced from attempting this with Cheryl Lawrie and others.
I believe the greatest challenge to community today is the rampant individualism (or narcissism) that is prevalent. Less and less people find meaning from group interaction, as we find ways to live in tight circles. Yet I don't think this can last, since it seems we are made for community interaction. The challenge is how to find it.
hmmm just thinking to myself what if you're a Christian but you're also anti-social? I find people fascinating on the one hand, but have very little sense of community, am very much a lone wolf. I'm very confident socially, but I'm generally not very invested. I suppose there are a few exceptions - wife, family, and a select few beyond that.
Crickey this word verification check to stop spam is proving a challenge. I've got it wrong 4 times!
Social events, at school or church, generally do my head in & make me feel very claustrophobic.
I do have a longing for 'community', but it is a very small glass indeed and very easy to be filled. I'd rather be independent and lonesome (not lonely) than subsume myself into any social group.
Oh crap I'm exactly what Gary is describing! lol, rats!
Hey Gary,
Thanks for the comment. I do think we need to reinvent ways of community interaction and ways of challenging rampant individualism. The communities mentioned are one way but there needs to be others.
Hey Steve,
Thanks for the comment (and for pursuing with the no spam check). I don't think you're alone or unusual in your feelings about social gatherings. I'm often avoiding large social gathering in order to meet with people in smaller intimate settings.
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I'm also wondering what are we 3? and what is it when I Catch up with people via email that I used to run a youth group for? - as I have done recently.
Mmm I will keep pondering
Chris - this is a great post and grapples with many of the issues we have been chewing thru up here - the simple practicality of communal living in the busy burbs and what that means.
I am of the opposite conviction to Gary, where I believe that Christianity is only effective and potent when it is done in community, so my quest is to figure out how to do that in a sustainable and context appropriate way.
Gary - how would you argue your case biblically as I would find it hard to earth in scripture?
Thanks
Hamo
Hi Hamo, since I don't hold to a position of scripture as inerrant, I don't concern myself with arguing from it. I would consider myself to be in the category of 'church alumni' as defined by John Shelby Spong, in that I still find value and meaning from the Christian tradition, but am not sure if I now consider myself a Christian. But I think the challenge of community is paradoxical as I expressed, the old 'you can't live with them, you can't live without them'.
Hey Hamo,
Thanks for the comment. Kind of nice to see that you're struggling as much as the rest of us ;). I guess my big question at the moment is what is community or what can constitute a community?
Gary and Hamo,
I wonder if community and "effective" or "potent" Xy can be a bit chicken and egg. That is that a good community may foster potent Xns but also that potent Xns may draw a community.
Hi Gary - I'm not an inerrantist either, but I do see the Bible as the picture of how God intends us to live.
Jesus words in John 17 'may they be one as we are one' are just one of the many images of community within it.
I think the whole idea of 'church' is a community of people in some shape or form. Although our imaginations are so tarnished by one shape that it canbe hard to conceieve of church in any other form than 'Sunday'.
Even if we can think of it we can then find it difficult to create because the dominant paradigm is still so Sunday-centric.
I guess I have two questions:
a) Are we trying to make community/church more complicated than it needs to be and thus are frustrating ourselves?
b) Are we either so committed to a western way of life, or so trapped in the economic system that we cannot begin to live differently?
I must say I speak as one without a mortgage these days and I find it difficult to imagine how the way we live at present would be easily sustainable with a 300K mortgage.
At the same time I would almost always encourage people to buy rather than rent...
I think some of the issues we face are systemic and almost beyond us, unless we make some very counter cultural decisions.
Hamo, you are on to something there. Rampant individualism created by our materialistic culture leaves us with churches that do nothing to create community. Go to the service, get your worship and sermon and go home. Maybe a bit of bible study here and there, but not much else. There is little sense of 'life together' or God in the midst. So it seems we need to be a bit counter-culture, as you say. In many ways imagination is being used to go beyond our current forms, and I would love to be part of this. My hope is that mysticism, rather than further knowledge, would be the driver in such an alternative.
Hey Hamo,
I gotta say I have often wondered how people like yourself did what you did and managed to have a house and look after a family. I guess being mortgage free would definitely help (I'm sure you worked hard to pay it off). None the less the mortgage can often feel like a bit of an albatross around my neck when it comes to trying to live counter culturally. But like you I'd still encourage people to buy rather than rent. I bought 4 years ago and already it's renting the house next door is ore expensive than paying my mortgage.
I wonder if I perhaps see a lot of potential in community and therefore have high expectations and feel frustrated at anything less.
Hey Chris, just on the affordability aspect of renting in a poorer suburb. Your mortgage may be less than the rent in a poorer suburb, but don't forget you'd get more rent for your house than you'd pay for the other house, so you may be better off. If so, rent rises then become in your favour _on average_ (not necess. in reality). On the other hand, cash flow becomes a new problem (we are 3 weeks behind in receiving rent from our managing agent)
Also, your existing house becomes an investment, so (mortgage interest expense - owned house rent income) becomes tax deductable. For us, the deduction amount was equivalent to the managing agent fees. Another thing - if you leave your own home but officially register it as your "principal place of residence" with the ATO, for up to 7 years it is excluded from capital gains calculations (a significant long-term benefit). Talk to an accountant on that one.
Recently in the Sunday Times the finance guru wrote an article saying that if 2 families who owned their homes rented each others house, they would both be better off due to tax implications.
Of course, the above doesn't change the fact that Perth is one of the least affordable cities in the world right now.
Gary Mc (not gary above)
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